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Subject: [idea]2nd team for plus members
i've always wondered what it would be like if i started a new team from the beginning and this is a great motive.
however, plus users have already a significant disadvantage over average ones (watching whatever match you like is IMO a massive advantage of plus users) and this one is like offering double fun to them as well. but it is certainly a motive to be a plus user. ;)
for myself, the interest in this game would be increased if certain improvements in ME, injuries, ranking/fan mood, YS, etc. occured.
for sure, this is a cool idea, however i have to admit that i prefer other frequently-requested ideas and bugs to be implemented first. this game loses average users and that is its main problem.
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however, plus users have already a significant disadvantage over average ones (watching whatever match you like is IMO a massive advantage of plus users) and this one is like offering double fun to them as well. but it is certainly a motive to be a plus user. ;)
for myself, the interest in this game would be increased if certain improvements in ME, injuries, ranking/fan mood, YS, etc. occured.
for sure, this is a cool idea, however i have to admit that i prefer other frequently-requested ideas and bugs to be implemented first. this game loses average users and that is its main problem.
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how many plus users are there roughly?
because i have absolutely no idea
because i have absolutely no idea
i understood very well the idea. you or someone else should state that the poll is only for >3,4,5 years of sokker. i am quite new, but i payed PLUS since the begining, so i think i have the right to express my opinions as all other user have.
one of the milestones of that game is that no user can control more than one team. people who arrive at the top and get borred and want some new experience, can quit the team and take-it from beginning. for them could be one favour to declare the actual team "lost" and receive a new one the next day.
imo, people who doesn't have enough with what they find here, can go also play other managers at the same time with sokker.
@rubinho: IGNORE
one of the milestones of that game is that no user can control more than one team. people who arrive at the top and get borred and want some new experience, can quit the team and take-it from beginning. for them could be one favour to declare the actual team "lost" and receive a new one the next day.
imo, people who doesn't have enough with what they find here, can go also play other managers at the same time with sokker.
@rubinho: IGNORE
You're totally right that there are a lot of other things that should be done first but are they being done? No, they are not. As long as we keep suggesting things we'll eventually get something/the easiest thing to code.
No-one knows but we did a countup a few seasons ago and I think Plus takeup was around 17%. I'd imagine that to be significantly higher in Poland. I think you'd maybe be looking at about 12-15k Plus users, which I'd quite certain would increase if this idea was implemented.
Sorry, I don't see the point.
I doubt it would increase Plus memberships, as people seek after quality, not quantity. For the time being, we have one car breaking down pretty often, I don't think that to buy a second car in the same condition with the first one is the solution, but to fix the first one.
The old users might lose their interest in this game, but the very main part of the Plus users stop buying it because of the engine's quality. Here is the big leakage not somewhere else, I can read it on forums, I've never read that somebody gives up because his boredom.
These are your reasons and I doubt they are valid.
If some want more attractiveness in Plus facilities, it could be like in PManager online game: Plus member to be able to participate at international tournaments/cups with his first team, no incomes, no more than slight injuries, no ranking points, etc. Here you can measure yourself at a competitive level, and to check your tactics ability as well, without any major risks in game, good technical session for your team. As well as, you can strengthen your relationship with the international community, and moreover to win tournaments/cups which could be added in your team history.
Otherwise, I don't think it's appropriate to invest in quantity while the quality is to blame.
I doubt it would increase Plus memberships, as people seek after quality, not quantity. For the time being, we have one car breaking down pretty often, I don't think that to buy a second car in the same condition with the first one is the solution, but to fix the first one.
The old users might lose their interest in this game, but the very main part of the Plus users stop buying it because of the engine's quality. Here is the big leakage not somewhere else, I can read it on forums, I've never read that somebody gives up because his boredom.
These are your reasons and I doubt they are valid.
If some want more attractiveness in Plus facilities, it could be like in PManager online game: Plus member to be able to participate at international tournaments/cups with his first team, no incomes, no more than slight injuries, no ranking points, etc. Here you can measure yourself at a competitive level, and to check your tactics ability as well, without any major risks in game, good technical session for your team. As well as, you can strengthen your relationship with the international community, and moreover to win tournaments/cups which could be added in your team history.
Otherwise, I don't think it's appropriate to invest in quantity while the quality is to blame.
i disagree
if you haven't played this game long enough you don't have the same experiences and thoughts as managers who already play it for a long time.
And your argument of becoming good enough to be NT manager was ridiculous.
NT-manager is a whole other level than a second team.
I don't think you understand why older managers would like a second team.
They wan't to build a team from scratch and see how fast they can evolve, compared to others ofcourse.
They wan't to see if they can do it better than before.
As said here before, if it would be introduced, it would be an option and not a command to go and control a second team. So if you don't wan't to have a second team AND pay plus, just don't enjoy the pleasure of being able to control a second team.
If everything is managed well you won't even notice a difference...
if you haven't played this game long enough you don't have the same experiences and thoughts as managers who already play it for a long time.
And your argument of becoming good enough to be NT manager was ridiculous.
NT-manager is a whole other level than a second team.
I don't think you understand why older managers would like a second team.
They wan't to build a team from scratch and see how fast they can evolve, compared to others ofcourse.
They wan't to see if they can do it better than before.
As said here before, if it would be introduced, it would be an option and not a command to go and control a second team. So if you don't wan't to have a second team AND pay plus, just don't enjoy the pleasure of being able to control a second team.
If everything is managed well you won't even notice a difference...
They wan't to build a team from scratch and see how fast they can evolve, compared to others ofcourse.
They wan't to see if they can do it better than before.
I think a major part of it is competition. This game has got a major problem with champions dominating season after season and having nothing to do, while the teams below get frustrated because they can't win. You've also got the problem of small leagues wanting to compete on a bigger level.
These problems could have been avoided had the game launched fully formed, instead of giving Poland a year head-start on the competition and 2 or 3 years on everyone else. What the world league would offer is a fresh start for everyone, something I've wanted for a long time.
They wan't to see if they can do it better than before.
I think a major part of it is competition. This game has got a major problem with champions dominating season after season and having nothing to do, while the teams below get frustrated because they can't win. You've also got the problem of small leagues wanting to compete on a bigger level.
These problems could have been avoided had the game launched fully formed, instead of giving Poland a year head-start on the competition and 2 or 3 years on everyone else. What the world league would offer is a fresh start for everyone, something I've wanted for a long time.
indeed
as i said, compared to others, so competitive
it would be a great implement to boost activity and plus users.
as i said, compared to others, so competitive
it would be a great implement to boost activity and plus users.
If some want more attractiveness in Plus facilities, it could be like in PManager online game: Plus member to be able to participate at international tournaments/cups with his first team, no incomes, no more than slight injuries, no ranking points, etc. Here you can measure yourself at a competitive level, and to check your tactics ability as well, without any major risks in game, good technical session for your team. As well as, you can strengthen your relationship with the international community, and moreover to win tournaments/cups which could be added in your team history.
excellent paragraph and suggestion.
excellent paragraph and suggestion.
i think its a good idea , but also a bad idea
the good part would be for countries like mine (Scotland) who have very little users , by being allowed a second team it means we could generate more ney young players that could be trained up for our NT
the bad part is , that huge nations like poland become incredibly strong ! lol
the good part would be for countries like mine (Scotland) who have very little users , by being allowed a second team it means we could generate more ney young players that could be trained up for our NT
the bad part is , that huge nations like poland become incredibly strong ! lol
as there would be a new country/website for second teams, it wouldn't have any effect on normal nations...
im guessing he only read the first post? Dumb please update it !
but the very main part of the Plus users stop buying it because of the engine's quality
lol..... engine is perfect as it is for most of people, this engine is the best that football managers can have, and its the only reason im still here...
whole lot of old users left the game because they got bored..... no new experiences - even more boredom....
as few people mentioned, the main problem is competitiveness... for example there are only 2 teams in lithuania which can threaten me in a match... and that it, and like that for few years now, and situation will never ever change... some teams catch up to my previous level but i get stronger as well... I cant remember a time when I have watched a game of my league with excitement that I had in the beginning, or the excitement i get when i watch ccc games.... Actually i cant even remember when i watched a game against 4-8 places in my league..... And it is not only me... Most of old users feel in the same way.... even if ure not first, u might be stuck in 3rd place for agaes, since u will never win against 1-2, but will never lose against other, and as a result your interest automatically fades away.
the only thing that keeps me going now is Champions Cup, but i have to wait whole season for it, which is bull.... And then only 60~ play in CCC, the same 60 teams which dominate now will play in CCC, teams which are stuck in 3rd places will never get there...
You play this game for 1 year only, so you have no idea how it feels when u play for 4 years or more...
about Plus... its kind of useless now... everybody can change they t-shirt colors once a year
watching all games - it might be slight advantage if ure sokker maniac, but most of plus users dont watch those games, believe me.... as said before i dont even watch my own games against weak opponents lately...
everybody can have a logo on their manager photo
so the only thing that plus users get is guesbook and articles...
lol..... engine is perfect as it is for most of people, this engine is the best that football managers can have, and its the only reason im still here...
whole lot of old users left the game because they got bored..... no new experiences - even more boredom....
as few people mentioned, the main problem is competitiveness... for example there are only 2 teams in lithuania which can threaten me in a match... and that it, and like that for few years now, and situation will never ever change... some teams catch up to my previous level but i get stronger as well... I cant remember a time when I have watched a game of my league with excitement that I had in the beginning, or the excitement i get when i watch ccc games.... Actually i cant even remember when i watched a game against 4-8 places in my league..... And it is not only me... Most of old users feel in the same way.... even if ure not first, u might be stuck in 3rd place for agaes, since u will never win against 1-2, but will never lose against other, and as a result your interest automatically fades away.
the only thing that keeps me going now is Champions Cup, but i have to wait whole season for it, which is bull.... And then only 60~ play in CCC, the same 60 teams which dominate now will play in CCC, teams which are stuck in 3rd places will never get there...
You play this game for 1 year only, so you have no idea how it feels when u play for 4 years or more...
about Plus... its kind of useless now... everybody can change they t-shirt colors once a year
watching all games - it might be slight advantage if ure sokker maniac, but most of plus users dont watch those games, believe me.... as said before i dont even watch my own games against weak opponents lately...
everybody can have a logo on their manager photo
so the only thing that plus users get is guesbook and articles...
you can update the 2nd post which is yours [: i dont have time for that... ill copy ur second post then