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You're missing the point by a mile here. I'm not saying he cannot use the Sokker forums. My point is that he shouldn't and that he is lucky that the forum rules here apparently are so liberal that he can get away with what he is doing - i.e. spamming the forum with advertisements for a hostile enterprise.
Come on now, how many other sites would let anyone get away with this? And more interestingly, would he himself let anyone get away with it? Of course not, judging by the arrogant tone of his posts, in which he states among other things that opponents of his grand revolution should not "whine" and that he doesn't expect certain people to "understand his movement". Well, it's not exactly rocket science, is it now?
Let me throw some advice back in your direction: if you're not happy with the way things work around here, and you don't see the game move in the direction you like, then leave if you're fed up with it. Don't be mad, just leave. Go make your own game, if you wish. Afterwards, when the game is up and running, you can come back here and post a link to your amazing new game, maybe even dropping a line or two about the awesomeness of this new game.
But - and I can't stress this enough - don't act like freaking saviours pretending to work in the best interest of Sokker, when all you do is go around sowing seeds of discord in every imaginable forum of this lovely game.
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Come on now, how many other sites would let anyone get away with this? And more interestingly, would he himself let anyone get away with it? Of course not, judging by the arrogant tone of his posts, in which he states among other things that opponents of his grand revolution should not "whine" and that he doesn't expect certain people to "understand his movement". Well, it's not exactly rocket science, is it now?
Let me throw some advice back in your direction: if you're not happy with the way things work around here, and you don't see the game move in the direction you like, then leave if you're fed up with it. Don't be mad, just leave. Go make your own game, if you wish. Afterwards, when the game is up and running, you can come back here and post a link to your amazing new game, maybe even dropping a line or two about the awesomeness of this new game.
But - and I can't stress this enough - don't act like freaking saviours pretending to work in the best interest of Sokker, when all you do is go around sowing seeds of discord in every imaginable forum of this lovely game.
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Thank you guys for your posts, and your loyalty towards this game. But this game has already been assassinated (there has been a black hole all the time), look at the numbers, they give you the answers. We are not killing it, or making users quit, since our game is not even here, and until then.. sokker will be dead! We are creating a safe place for the community, we don't even know when the game will be ready!
In sweden, we got 2 new users since August 2015!!! Before that... 2014... Are you happy with this? Do you want to save your community? Play kind of a similar game with the same users and more?
If we would announce it when the game would be done, the risk would be that a lot of the users would be totally gone, so we try to gather them at one place.
If you don't care about the questions above, this game is nothing for you guys anyway.
If you are interested only in Sokker, then you can skip reading this thread and other related. But we are setting up a blog page for the project right now, and will move out all communication after your feedback.
But the devs don't even care enough to do anything about it (as i hoped when i started the campaign, some sort of reaction from them). And that is even more sad. Don't you think? Its not because they are liberal, its because they don't care!
So we are trying to be positive here! Cause we know, that we cannot affect the devs anymore after all those years. You pretend like there is a chance to improve Sokker.org, how? When they don't listen to anyone? Give me the log-ins and i promise that i will improve this game and not build a new one!
Honestly, i think that they are happy about this, the pressure has been building up until they gave up and went developing another version of sokker for mobile. So we believe that they will be passive now and in the future, thats why we create plan B.
Therefore we are trying to create a new game, inspired by Sokker. And we hope that you will like it!
Thank you
Probably you don't agree with anything anyway, in that case, please provide us with a another solution that works!
Its easy to criticise, its hard to do something about it!
http://sokkerrev.weebly.com
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In sweden, we got 2 new users since August 2015!!! Before that... 2014... Are you happy with this? Do you want to save your community? Play kind of a similar game with the same users and more?
If we would announce it when the game would be done, the risk would be that a lot of the users would be totally gone, so we try to gather them at one place.
If you don't care about the questions above, this game is nothing for you guys anyway.
If you are interested only in Sokker, then you can skip reading this thread and other related. But we are setting up a blog page for the project right now, and will move out all communication after your feedback.
But the devs don't even care enough to do anything about it (as i hoped when i started the campaign, some sort of reaction from them). And that is even more sad. Don't you think? Its not because they are liberal, its because they don't care!
So we are trying to be positive here! Cause we know, that we cannot affect the devs anymore after all those years. You pretend like there is a chance to improve Sokker.org, how? When they don't listen to anyone? Give me the log-ins and i promise that i will improve this game and not build a new one!
Honestly, i think that they are happy about this, the pressure has been building up until they gave up and went developing another version of sokker for mobile. So we believe that they will be passive now and in the future, thats why we create plan B.
Therefore we are trying to create a new game, inspired by Sokker. And we hope that you will like it!
Thank you
Probably you don't agree with anything anyway, in that case, please provide us with a another solution that works!
Its easy to criticise, its hard to do something about it!
http://sokkerrev.weebly.com
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Kongbuur:
Would you accept adverts for a similar game in your forums?
You don't see it, its not about making adverts in a forum, but to answer your question:
Yes, if me and my team would've stopped developing the game and ignore the users, and started to develop another mobile game..in that case we wouldn't care anyway. So why not?
It would be a normal reaction from the community. Remember that Footballstrategy.org tried the same thing, this kind of behaviour from the devs lead to action.
We didn't announce to try creating a game from day one, we have as a community talked to the devs in many years!
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Would you accept adverts for a similar game in your forums?
You don't see it, its not about making adverts in a forum, but to answer your question:
Yes, if me and my team would've stopped developing the game and ignore the users, and started to develop another mobile game..in that case we wouldn't care anyway. So why not?
It would be a normal reaction from the community. Remember that Footballstrategy.org tried the same thing, this kind of behaviour from the devs lead to action.
We didn't announce to try creating a game from day one, we have as a community talked to the devs in many years!
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What this game will have a constitution ? Communism or the Social Democracy
Hello,
What ila does is not the most ethical think to do. I'm sure that's your point and you're right about that.
I would ask a simple question: can you or any other user guarantee me 100% that sokker will still be here a year from now? I'm sure you can't.
That's the only reason why ila's adventure becomes of interest.
What the devs are doing now is ethical ? Cashing in and ignoring any demand by your customers. Is that fair?
So is simple. If you fell disturbed just ignore this topic. I'm glad that someone is thinking about the future and I choose to support a project that will resemble sokker, giving the fact that tomorrow is a good possibility that sokker as we like it will cease to exist.
Good day now !
What ila does is not the most ethical think to do. I'm sure that's your point and you're right about that.
I would ask a simple question: can you or any other user guarantee me 100% that sokker will still be here a year from now? I'm sure you can't.
That's the only reason why ila's adventure becomes of interest.
What the devs are doing now is ethical ? Cashing in and ignoring any demand by your customers. Is that fair?
So is simple. If you fell disturbed just ignore this topic. I'm glad that someone is thinking about the future and I choose to support a project that will resemble sokker, giving the fact that tomorrow is a good possibility that sokker as we like it will cease to exist.
Good day now !
You paint a bleak picture indeed. As others have before you. Yet, the game goes on, and I still have fun week after week. It just doesn't stop. This has been the case since I started playing this game more than 11 years ago, and I find it equally fun to this day.
So no, the game I like has not been assassinated. It's very much alive. Users come, users go, which is only natural. But this has had no effect on my gaming experience.
I'm happy to hear that you will move out your propaganda from Sokker, as I will not be told by you or anyone else which threads to read or not. Judging by your responses, I can only imagine what kind of restrictive measures you would put into place in your game's forum, but luckily that's none of my concern.
I'm afraid what you would actually do, if you were handed the right to "improve" Sokker. I could accept some improvements, sure, but I wouldn't want a revolution of the game, as this is not at all needed imo.
I really think you fail to acknowledge that there probably is a vast, silent mass of Sokker users who are still quite pleased with the way the game works. We are not all sheep waiting for a shepherd. Therefore, your final words also fail to affect me whatsoever, as I don't see the need for "another solution".
Still: best of luck with the development of the new game. But I hope you fail miserably at making people quit Sokker ;o)
So no, the game I like has not been assassinated. It's very much alive. Users come, users go, which is only natural. But this has had no effect on my gaming experience.
I'm happy to hear that you will move out your propaganda from Sokker, as I will not be told by you or anyone else which threads to read or not. Judging by your responses, I can only imagine what kind of restrictive measures you would put into place in your game's forum, but luckily that's none of my concern.
I'm afraid what you would actually do, if you were handed the right to "improve" Sokker. I could accept some improvements, sure, but I wouldn't want a revolution of the game, as this is not at all needed imo.
I really think you fail to acknowledge that there probably is a vast, silent mass of Sokker users who are still quite pleased with the way the game works. We are not all sheep waiting for a shepherd. Therefore, your final words also fail to affect me whatsoever, as I don't see the need for "another solution".
Still: best of luck with the development of the new game. But I hope you fail miserably at making people quit Sokker ;o)
No, of course no one can guarantee you that Sokker is still here a year from now. In fact, no one can guarantee you that any online game is here a year from now :o)
In my country, a user opened a thread with the title "Is Sokker dying?" because he was dissatisfied with changes in the game. This was 4 years ago. Sokker is still here.
Let me ask you another question: can you be sure that ilas game will be fun and worth playing? You have no guarantee that he will create a game, you will actually enjoy. Or make development choices that you approve of. Have you given this any thought at all?
If people are fed up with this game and want something else, a number of alternatives already exist. I really don't see the point in waiting, then. Unless, of course, these people actually believe in the faulty assumption that the core of ilas new game will be a replica of Sokker.
And no, I won't ignore this topic just because you or any other user tell me to.
In my country, a user opened a thread with the title "Is Sokker dying?" because he was dissatisfied with changes in the game. This was 4 years ago. Sokker is still here.
Let me ask you another question: can you be sure that ilas game will be fun and worth playing? You have no guarantee that he will create a game, you will actually enjoy. Or make development choices that you approve of. Have you given this any thought at all?
If people are fed up with this game and want something else, a number of alternatives already exist. I really don't see the point in waiting, then. Unless, of course, these people actually believe in the faulty assumption that the core of ilas new game will be a replica of Sokker.
And no, I won't ignore this topic just because you or any other user tell me to.
I'm afraid what you would actually do, if you were handed the right to "improve" Sokker. I could accept some improvements, sure, but I wouldn't want a revolution of the game, as this is not at all needed imo.
what exactly are you afraid of?
I mean, what danger do you see?
I can't understand your point.
I hope that ilas game would came close to sk. I like sk too, imop is far better than hattrick, a game i've been playing for over a decade now. I think that noone will be quitting sk as it is. But predictions are grim. You are talking about 4 years ago. By then greg was still listening, now he barely logs in. His lack of interest can be judged as offensive. But that's his problem. Mine is to find a possible alternative.
If ilas ideea will come close to sk why not give it a shot. I don't know if he'll succed but why not let him at least try. Anyone with proper knolege can do it. So, I dont's see any problem, other than the ethics behind advertising his ideea. But we talked about ethics before.
ps: no one is telling you what to do, people are pointing out options.
If ilas ideea will come close to sk why not give it a shot. I don't know if he'll succed but why not let him at least try. Anyone with proper knolege can do it. So, I dont's see any problem, other than the ethics behind advertising his ideea. But we talked about ethics before.
ps: no one is telling you what to do, people are pointing out options.
Lots of questions here. Let me see:
"In sweden, we got 2 new users since August 2015!!! Before that... 2014... Are you happy with this?"
Yes. It is not a problem that no new users are joining. It's sad to see people You've played with so long leave, but aside from that, if you can fill a league and not play bots all the time, this game is neither broken nor dead. If there are 8 users left in a country this game will still be awesome!
"Do you want to save your community?"
Here we go again, Mr. Saviour, ila-a, The Mercyful Saint of Goodness...
How is it saving THIS community to tell people the game is dead - or will be in a year or so - and that they should all leave with you to go play another game somewhere else? You are NOT helping!
If you are over there and I am still here, who of us has then helped this community? Let me help: me, because I didn't actively try to harm it or leave it.
If they for some reason (and why would they? - I personally payed for another year just last week) should decide to 'pull the plug' it is just a simple "Game Over".
"Play kind of a similar game with the same users and more?"
No. Lol, please understand that I am not interested in your game - even in the case of "Game Over". So you will NOT have the same users. You seem to think that everybody absolutely loves your idea. We don't, we want to take care of this club in this game and just hope that as many people as possible still want to be here. And the day they won't, it's just over. Done. The End.
In my opinion the greatest thing about this game is that we are so few left playing it. It makes the league system much more realistic. A top league and some contenders right below. It's really all it takes. And those still playing after 10+ years, they know eachother's teams in and out, have a history, rivalry, epic iconic players a.s.o. You cannot create that. The game engine is awsome. No, I do NOT want 'something similar'.
"If we would announce it when the game would be done, the risk would be that a lot of the users would be totally gone, so we try to gather them at one place."
Yes, I understand that you want to make people leave to come and play your game in stead. You still claim that that's not what you are doing, but as you say here: "if there is noone left to read your commercials, you will have no luck in persuading them to leave."
It's so obvious. I cannot believe that people are buying your bullshit.
"Probably you don't agree with anything anyway, in that case, please provide us with a another solution that works!
Its easy to criticise, its hard to do something about it!"
But, hello, what is the problem? Solution to what? Revolution of what? Who here is critizising Sokker? You are. What is your solution: it's damaging for Sokker and possibly lucrative for you.
You want my solution? Stay here and play the game. Create a new tactic, win promotion, train a player. It all works. It's not dead, it's not broken. It's awesome. Like Pac-man. Awesome game, hasn't changed in a looooong time.
Yes, I'd love to have the old junior system back. Yes, I'd like a replay-button. But if they never ever change anything, I'd most likely still be paying and playing for another 10 years. It's not dead!
Sorry everbody for the long post. I just don't think ila-a should be allowed to spam Sokker with his hostile business uncontested.
"In sweden, we got 2 new users since August 2015!!! Before that... 2014... Are you happy with this?"
Yes. It is not a problem that no new users are joining. It's sad to see people You've played with so long leave, but aside from that, if you can fill a league and not play bots all the time, this game is neither broken nor dead. If there are 8 users left in a country this game will still be awesome!
"Do you want to save your community?"
Here we go again, Mr. Saviour, ila-a, The Mercyful Saint of Goodness...
How is it saving THIS community to tell people the game is dead - or will be in a year or so - and that they should all leave with you to go play another game somewhere else? You are NOT helping!
If you are over there and I am still here, who of us has then helped this community? Let me help: me, because I didn't actively try to harm it or leave it.
If they for some reason (and why would they? - I personally payed for another year just last week) should decide to 'pull the plug' it is just a simple "Game Over".
"Play kind of a similar game with the same users and more?"
No. Lol, please understand that I am not interested in your game - even in the case of "Game Over". So you will NOT have the same users. You seem to think that everybody absolutely loves your idea. We don't, we want to take care of this club in this game and just hope that as many people as possible still want to be here. And the day they won't, it's just over. Done. The End.
In my opinion the greatest thing about this game is that we are so few left playing it. It makes the league system much more realistic. A top league and some contenders right below. It's really all it takes. And those still playing after 10+ years, they know eachother's teams in and out, have a history, rivalry, epic iconic players a.s.o. You cannot create that. The game engine is awsome. No, I do NOT want 'something similar'.
"If we would announce it when the game would be done, the risk would be that a lot of the users would be totally gone, so we try to gather them at one place."
Yes, I understand that you want to make people leave to come and play your game in stead. You still claim that that's not what you are doing, but as you say here: "if there is noone left to read your commercials, you will have no luck in persuading them to leave."
It's so obvious. I cannot believe that people are buying your bullshit.
"Probably you don't agree with anything anyway, in that case, please provide us with a another solution that works!
Its easy to criticise, its hard to do something about it!"
But, hello, what is the problem? Solution to what? Revolution of what? Who here is critizising Sokker? You are. What is your solution: it's damaging for Sokker and possibly lucrative for you.
You want my solution? Stay here and play the game. Create a new tactic, win promotion, train a player. It all works. It's not dead, it's not broken. It's awesome. Like Pac-man. Awesome game, hasn't changed in a looooong time.
Yes, I'd love to have the old junior system back. Yes, I'd like a replay-button. But if they never ever change anything, I'd most likely still be paying and playing for another 10 years. It's not dead!
Sorry everbody for the long post. I just don't think ila-a should be allowed to spam Sokker with his hostile business uncontested.
What is your solution: it's damaging for Sokker
what kind of damage do you see?
What danger in ila's initiative do you see for sokker?
I can't understand it. He's creating something WITHOUT harming sokker.
Maybe you can discuss the word "revolution", but it is a very useless discussion.. imho.
what kind of damage do you see?
What danger in ila's initiative do you see for sokker?
I can't understand it. He's creating something WITHOUT harming sokker.
Maybe you can discuss the word "revolution", but it is a very useless discussion.. imho.
what kind of damage do you see?
While trying to give the impression that he cares about Sokker, he spams sokker forum to convince people to quit sokker (because it sucks and is dying if not already dead, and becasue they didn't use his design) and come with him to some paradise, which you by the way need to help code and finance.
He has a blog now, that's fine. He may or may not make a good game, that's fine. I wish him luck, I really do. But talking about "solution", "revolution", "vision", "motivation", "dedication" and love for the game (this game(!) and the community, it's just a load of bullshit. He does not care about Sokker. He wants users to code, test, finance and then pay to play that game. "Based on sokker", yeah right. I guess it will be a football game with a match engine, a junior school, some trainers, a stadium and so on. You know, a football manager game. That's similar. But if the problem is that users are leaving, how on earth is it a "solution" to make more quit? And for every user he manages to take with him, he has been damaging this game, which I am not leaving. "Join the movement" - pull my finger!
Yes, you may find it interesting to play 2 games at once, or 3. But if the solution really is to go and play a similar game, why not just join hattrick? Or load a Football Manager save game? It's sokker we want!
While trying to give the impression that he cares about Sokker, he spams sokker forum to convince people to quit sokker (because it sucks and is dying if not already dead, and becasue they didn't use his design) and come with him to some paradise, which you by the way need to help code and finance.
He has a blog now, that's fine. He may or may not make a good game, that's fine. I wish him luck, I really do. But talking about "solution", "revolution", "vision", "motivation", "dedication" and love for the game (this game(!) and the community, it's just a load of bullshit. He does not care about Sokker. He wants users to code, test, finance and then pay to play that game. "Based on sokker", yeah right. I guess it will be a football game with a match engine, a junior school, some trainers, a stadium and so on. You know, a football manager game. That's similar. But if the problem is that users are leaving, how on earth is it a "solution" to make more quit? And for every user he manages to take with him, he has been damaging this game, which I am not leaving. "Join the movement" - pull my finger!
Yes, you may find it interesting to play 2 games at once, or 3. But if the solution really is to go and play a similar game, why not just join hattrick? Or load a Football Manager save game? It's sokker we want!
Kongbuur,
- It is interesting that you accuse this movement to make other users leave this game, we never encouraged it, and we have no game either yet to make anyone leave even if it would be our evil plan!! If they leave one day, its going to be their choice (most of them are over 30), and its not going to be because of our game.. There is a lot of games out there, and people leave Sokker today for hole a lot of other issues that have been known for years.
- Its also interesting that you mention this campaign having a negative effect. That mentioning its death would make users leave. Those discussions have been around for a while now, i guess that you don't read the forums. You would be amazed!
We don't see it in a negative way, we started the campaign this early to see if we will get any reaction from the owners. Starting at least a discussion was a goal. We together would be able to affect their decisions. Maybe they would improve Sokker, in that case we could contribute to that and not making another game for the community. But they don't really care, actually, you care more! Sorry but its kind of sad!
Yeah sure, playing the game with 10 people left in every country would still be fun, but the transfer market would be empty, the total cash flow would suck, the youth development would be slow and so on..the game would be unbalanced in so many ways. This is a community based game, its 50% of the game. You may not like it, and only enjoy the pixels and the numbers behind the screen.
- Reading your post, i notice that you wouldn't care if Sokker would die, and as i wrote before, this is nothing for you anyway. I don't understand your negativity like others here. You don't add anything useful to the subject. Then i would suggest that you stop spamming in our (according to you) spam theard. Cause you are contributing to the spamming of ours.
So i quote Bluezero, as he wrote to you
"My advice: If you have some ideas how to make devs continue work on sokker.org, here with it. If you have ideas how to make ila-a's version better, here with it. Otherwise your posts are just spam."
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- It is interesting that you accuse this movement to make other users leave this game, we never encouraged it, and we have no game either yet to make anyone leave even if it would be our evil plan!! If they leave one day, its going to be their choice (most of them are over 30), and its not going to be because of our game.. There is a lot of games out there, and people leave Sokker today for hole a lot of other issues that have been known for years.
- Its also interesting that you mention this campaign having a negative effect. That mentioning its death would make users leave. Those discussions have been around for a while now, i guess that you don't read the forums. You would be amazed!
We don't see it in a negative way, we started the campaign this early to see if we will get any reaction from the owners. Starting at least a discussion was a goal. We together would be able to affect their decisions. Maybe they would improve Sokker, in that case we could contribute to that and not making another game for the community. But they don't really care, actually, you care more! Sorry but its kind of sad!
Yeah sure, playing the game with 10 people left in every country would still be fun, but the transfer market would be empty, the total cash flow would suck, the youth development would be slow and so on..the game would be unbalanced in so many ways. This is a community based game, its 50% of the game. You may not like it, and only enjoy the pixels and the numbers behind the screen.
- Reading your post, i notice that you wouldn't care if Sokker would die, and as i wrote before, this is nothing for you anyway. I don't understand your negativity like others here. You don't add anything useful to the subject. Then i would suggest that you stop spamming in our (according to you) spam theard. Cause you are contributing to the spamming of ours.
So i quote Bluezero, as he wrote to you
"My advice: If you have some ideas how to make devs continue work on sokker.org, here with it. If you have ideas how to make ila-a's version better, here with it. Otherwise your posts are just spam."
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