Subject: FootballStrategy

No, it's not the same.
In sokker from Day 1 you can afford youth school and 100% main training (only difference is "additional training"). Plus from Day 1 you can buy decent 16-17yo players for training.

In FS after 1.5 years of playing you can't even afford a Youth Academy and top teams spend 50 million on one staff member :-D

FS has a terrible economy and the changes made it even worse for new teams. Yeah, sure, you have extra training for first seasons, but you have nobody worth training, so what's the point? :D

You won't buy decent youths from TL because there are basically no users in the game and nobody sells decent youths, because you can train EVERYONE all the time - from GKs to strikers (in sokker you can train in general 1 group - defs, mids, strikers or GKs, so people sell youths even if they are decent, because they don't fit their plan).

So please tell me, what's there to do for a new user?

1. he can lose games or play vs bots
2. he can train 25-28yo weak players

...that's it :-D

you can't even afford a youth school to get a chance for good players

Both games give you a starting team that's full of... So if you want to get decent trainees you'll have to buy them. Just last week I had 9,53 skill level GK for sale (16, 16, 14, 13 in main skills). I had to list him twice with the minimum price because the first time nobody bought him. Most of my youth squad players cost 80-140k, so it's really easy to get good trainees for a decent price. Of course a new team can't buy the biggest stars but my players are more than enough for me. Actually in FS you can buy much better players from day 1 than in sokker.

In FS after 1.5 years of playing you can't even afford a Youth Academy and top teams spend 50 million on one staff member :-D

After 9 months of playing I can afford my youth academy just fine so I don't know what's the problem there. I can't afford more than 10 players atm. but it's enough for me anyway to keep my u19-team running with own youngsters.

The market isn't that active because of the current userbase but for an active manager there's still enough players. Basically what there is are scrabs from the rich teams but they're basically just as good players but with low potential. At the beginning you can't afford to pay the wages of the high level skills anyway so it's about the best players you can ask for.

I'm just hoping they'll make a good tutorial so the new teams don't do anything stupid and get bankrupt too soon. The economy has some big risks with the current system and there are things that should be improved.

So please tell me, what's there to do for a new user?

1. he can lose games or play vs bots
2. he can train 25-28yo weak players

...that's it :-D

And sokker differences from that because..?

And sokker differences from that because..?

because you can easily buy 16-17yo that aren't s*** and you can earn a lot of money after some training, can you do that in FS?

because you can easily afford a decent youth school since day 1, can you do that in FS?

After 9 months of playing I can afford my youth academy just fine so I don't know what's the problem there. I can't afford more than 10 players atm

that's the point
this kind of tough economy for newcomers might be fun...for 1%, most will find it dull and too challenging

and it's faaaaar to easy to go bankrupt, as you've mentioned

btw. how much do you make from sponsors / tv rights ?

because you can easily buy 16-17yo that aren't s*** and you can earn a lot of money after some training, can you do that in FS?

I can afford much better 15-19 yo's in FS. It's difficult to make profit from re-selling because of the little amount of users but it's not the game's fault. Now that the ad campaing has begun it might cheer up the markets for a bit.

because you can easily afford a decent youth school since day 1, can you do that in FS?

After a few seasons yes, but not immediately.

Getting bankrupt is the problem indeed. It's still partly the users' own fault but two things combined will make it too easy atm: Firing a staff member costs 6x weekly wage & you can "only" fire 12 staff members in 12 weeks. My next release spot opens in 8 weeks so if my economy was bad atm. I'd go bankrupt before I could actually do anything to prevent it.

btw. how much do you make from sponsors / tv rights ?
SPONSORS
$566,666.67
TV RIGHTS
$200,000.00

You seem to have an issue about finances being tougher and if you were to compare Sokker I would agree that it is. It's not realistic to be able to pump up the best possible candidates on day 1 like you claim Sokker allows but you certainly can still get average prospects on FS on day 1. After two or three seasons, it's certainly a possibility to aim for the best prospects on FS depending on how well you managed your club and if you were cautious with your expenses.

But I think what Sokker lacks is what really makes or breaks a game: development and interest. Sokker is a much older game and there isn't much if any interest from the development team on furthering improving the game. There is no active admins from what I can tell on the forums and essentially what you see today it's what been offered for many years already. Unfortunately, Sokker is a "dead" game at this point and has been for several years. The technology behind Sokker is essentially obsolete in present day and the only way to "revive" Sokker is not only just offering support and development, but having to re-built from ground-up which can take many years of development and testing. On the other hand FS is still rather a new game and we're always developing the game to make it better. I guarantee you that for when the mobile app launches during Season 14, it will certainly surpass the active users of Sokker.

Sokker actually gave us the inspiration of developing FS from scratch. I can say that we've never advertised the game because truly we felt that the game we had set to make just wasn't there. This "feeling" changed recently with Season 11 and with just a 1-week test of paid advertising to see what yields the best results for when Season 14 comes there has been almost a 400% increase of activity (not just active users but daily activity such as setting up formations, doing other actions etc..). We still feel that there is some things left to do specially on the ME aspect, but we're confident that by Season 14 with the app launch and other improvements that will completed by then; FS will be the best browser manager game.
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In sokker from Day 1 you can afford youth school and 100% main training (only difference is "additional training"). Plus from Day 1 you can buy decent 16-17yo players for training.

I have to disagree here man. In Sokker you cant afford a good youth school at the beginning, in fact, opening a youth school that early is not good, you will not be able to do much and might even go backrupt. Maybe in Poland with thousands of teams the economic factor is different and you get extra income, but in a league like Venezuela is not possible to start a new team with a good youth academy, not possible at all if you dont want to go backrupt. :/


In FS after 1.5 years of playing you can't even afford a Youth Academy and top teams spend 50 million on one staff member :-D

Those who spent millions and millions (20 30 40 50 millions) on just one staff members were idiots. I managed to buy 16 good 6.0 average staff members spending only 4 million in total. Those who spent just 50 million on one 6.9 staff member were just not smart. Just because some poorly strategic users decided to waste 50 million on a single staff member, that doesnt mean thats the real price. Soon, in just a few weeks from now, ill have a 7.0 staff member through seminars of which I just paid between 200k-800k when it was 6.0 . It takes around 7-14 weeks (and 60k* per seminar training) to train a staff member from 6.0 to 7.0. See?, I didnt need to spend 50 million, just 200k-800k plus 400k-800k+.
**10k multiplied by the staff member rating. In this case if you train a 6.0 staff member, its 60k. If the staff member is 6.50 then 65k and so on.


You won't buy decent youths from TL because there are basically no users in the game and nobody sells decent youths, because you can train EVERYONE all the time - from GKs to strikers (in sokker you can train in general 1 group - defs, mids, strikers or GKs, so people sell youths even if they are decent, because they don't fit their plan).

Thats why they made these changes, so you are not able to train everyone all the time at full capacity. This incentivates and gives more life to the market.

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1. I had youth school from the very beginning. And no, nobody will got bankrupt because of YS in sokker. 20 youths = 20k €, incredible youth coach = 25-30k €. Easily affordable since day 1.

2. I'm not saying the coaches were worth 50m, I meant that if they can waste 50m on one staff member and I can't even pay for the youth academy after playing for 1.5 year, then this game is financially broken at this point.

3. Of course you can still train everyone...there is no limit of number of players trained, or formation limit...you can still train goalkeepers, defenders, midfielders and strikers at the same time, nothing changed.

Of course sokker lacks development, because they owners decided years ago that it's a dead business and it's not worth investing time and money in it, so they abandoned this project. Because the market is dead.

1. I had youth school from the very beginning. And no, nobody will got bankrupt because of YS in sokker. 20 youths = 20k €, incredible youth coach = 25-30k €. Easily affordable since day 1.

YOU had it because you play in Poland, and leagues are different according to what I understand from my experience in Sokker. Leagues with more teams are more wealthy. Maybe you could start your youth academy in your new team and the income was big enough to keep it and still develop well. Try to do the same right now in Venezuela with a new team and you will either go bankrupt or you wont be able to invest in anything else. Leagues are different in sokker. A new team in Venezuela cant afford to have a youth academy.

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Actually I think that new teams get roughly the same amount of money. No idea how to check it though, we'd need to find new active users from lowest Venezuela and Poland leagues and it'd take a lot of time;)

Anyway, you should give it a try on FS. You have a good team, go on automatic mode and open up the YA in 1 or 2 seasons. Dont quit FS. :)
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Nope, not even considering it :P

Demitrick, please tell which loan should I take to 'survive' the season.

My YA cost went down to 700k.

Still, my expenses are -1.8m, my income is +900k (plus tickets).

My current balance is -1.3m.

Should I take the 5m loan for 24 weeks or a longer one?

if you can't do (want) simply math operation, how you suppose to play football manager game
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fuck off bigot

Take the 36 weeks (around 9 months and 12% interests) loan.

Im pretty sure you will survive with it and restore your finances.