Subject: Arcade games!

It is a combination of a lot of things. Yes, many older managers stopped playing the game, but with enough new managers this wouldn't have been a problem at all. Potentially there are millions new users who like games + soccer, they could easily replace those few thousand who quit Sokker last 2 years. But if you could see the stats, numbers of new registered managers in countries, you would know this is absolutely a big problem, and it is a problem for some years now. The limited options for new managers after sign up was implemented to increase the number of new managers but it didn't help. FB was another idea, also didn't help.

The right question is why so few people start playing Sokker or can't even find Sokker. And of those few new managers who do sign up, why so few of them continue playing Sokker (most don't return after the first sign up), eventhough they know nothing of these new changes and haven't watched a single match, so that can't the problem. Is it to complicated, or is the layout made to complicated (no good tutorial for example), is the looks of the site to outdated and/or not attractive enough (bad graphics). Etc etc. I think all these things are a problem.

Sokker needs a really good update, not some tweaking as what happened last years but a real update.
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in my country, much more of the remaining 96 users users started before i've started playing Sokker (in 2008), which means in less than 3 years more users have started who are still here than within the last 5,5 years - and yes, Sokker is out of date! Layout is not that important thing, but the game itself is too much random - just form of players, youth school, youth matches this is maybe not that important for the devs, but it is annoying, makes users angry, and they will soon be gone. Simple changes - for example a faster way to create new tactics, an easier way to arrange friendlies and so on - never heard this will be once changed. Now adding Arcade Games - my first thought was: Sokker was sold to Arcade, after reading what it is - a simple copy from another well known game - yes maybe some users will like it, if they find another Plus user to play ...
but don't forget the final part of the news: Our second change is an 'ad break' before watching games as a non-Plus user. You can easily remove this and at the same time support the development of Sokker by purchasing Plus. this will make lots of users run away as soon as possible ... for sure!

and yes, Sokker is out of date! Layout is not that important thing

is this a joke? :)

layout is the bigges problem of this games since it has started.

layout + promotion are the ONLY things in which sokker is worse than goalunited. and goalunited has ~500k users, or more - don't remember, but form what I remember they were close to 1m at one point...

layout scares off kids and hm...simple people.

but the game itself is too much random - just form of players, youth school, youth matches

it's random in most games and it doesn't scare people off.

The 'random part' makes OLD users annoyed, not NEW users.

this will make lots of users run away as soon as possible ... for sure!

yes, because waiting for 40 seconds is such an amazing problem...

although I can agree that it's a stupid idea, nobody will buy plus because of it and many users got angry.

My 2 cents on not going back to PLUS as an "old manager"
- current tactic/condition options are weak compare to compete games
- if I want to watch additional games I want to gain knowledge from those visualization, except that my team is weak or not compare to better one, when there are issues with them so are not much helpful with tactics adjustments

- current tactic/condition options are weak compare to compete games

in which games do you have better tactic editor?

- if I want to watch additional games I want to gain knowledge from those visualization, except that my team is weak or not compare to better one, when there are issues with them so are not much helpful with tactics adjustments

I can't understand WHY can't you gain knowledge from these arcade games...?

Player skills will be the same, match engine will be the same - what's the problem?

Here are the new manager stats of Austria: Austria Stats.

and yes, Sokker is out of date! Layout is not that important thing

I can't take this comment seriously :/ If this is really what you think, then you have no idea what internet and gaming is about.

but the game itself is too much random - just form of players, youth school, youth matches this is maybe not that important for the devs, but it is annoying, makes users angry, and they will soon be gone.

There are a few random things in Sokker (as far as you can call it 'random' with data calculations). Youth players you get is random, but youth school isn't random at all, only less predictable as it was in the past. And junior matches aren't random, or at least not more random as official matches, you only don't know where to put players if they haven't played a single match yet. Form is random, that's true. So only 1 thing of your examples is really random, all others aren't (completely) random.

And for that 'they will soon be gone' part, see link at the bottom of this post :/

after reading what it is - a simple copy from another well known game

Everyone copies ideas of other games. It is nearly impossible to come up with something new which isn't used in one way or another by some other game. The one who can come up with something completely new must be a genius.

but don't forget the final part of the news: Our second change is an 'ad break' before watching games as a non-Plus user. You can easily remove this and at the same time support the development of Sokker by purchasing Plus. this will make lots of users run away as soon as possible ... for sure!

I think it should have been done a bit different, but on the other hand, Sokker needs money to run and this could be a way to get that money. Promoting Plus isn't a bad idea. The funny thing is, many of the complaints are from non-Plus managers, eventhough they keep on playing this game and for absolutely free. Besides, it's implemented for not even a week and many already come up with their made up doom scenarios, as always, without knowing the real consequences (example: topic Is Sokker dying?, see the date of the first post)[/url].

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in which games do you have better tactic editor?

You just narrowed to tactic editor when my response was related to the tactics and conditions overall. So far Manager Zone and Football Strategy beat Sokker on those two fields.

I can't understand WHY can't you gain knowledge from these arcade games...?
Player skills will be the same, match engine will be the same - what's the problem?

Well, problem is on devs side to blame any issue reported by me on game visualization, that is not perfect and I shouldn't rely only on that but mostly on knowledge of my team (skills and teamwork).

I think it should have been done a bit different, but on the other hand, Sokker needs money to run and this could be a way to get that money.

Correct and IMO owner of Sokker they aimed into wrong economic model for free2play game. Instead of subscriptions here it will be better to use micro-payments model. Based what I saw how Manager Zone was evolving they have moved from similar situation (subscription towards power tokens). There are a lot of other free2play games with micro-payments model which moved from subscriptions.

I agree about micropayments and others (and me too) have also suggested this to the DEVs a couple of times. But as everyone already know, the owner is a programmer but lacks all management skills needed to run Sokker as a business ;)

I tought i could invite someone for thuesday today (yesterday until monday, so today to thuesday, i assumed) but when i click on the invatepage of some teams (all have plus) i got this "No terms available"

What's the reason for that?

they already got the game on that day.

Angry american that is.

Another new feature? Never seen this before.

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Nope, they do not have arcadegames at all :)

It could be that you can have only 4 matches in a row, but then it would be mine matches that causes the 'error'.

Youth matches are not random...... cause if they are, how can i be so dominating in it??

After seven years - FINALLY!