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Subject: Israel – The Throwback

2010-06-09 09:41:44
If you want to die in the attack, if you want your girlfriend / daughter was stoned, ok, it's your choice, but I have a different opinion.

I can't count the crimes by polish people in belgium anymore....


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2010-06-09 10:35:48
Today, I was looking to history, some maps... :-) intersting....



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But, I find out intersting fact in history. UNO created Israel, and frist war started not Israel but Arabic states !!! So maybe we can not blame just Israel as author of problems in that regions.


15.5.1948, after couple of hours of independence Israel Arabic states started first war attack. Goal of Arabic army was push Israel into the see. 37 000 attackers and just 28 000 defenders (israels).

Till end of may, Arabic army have Jerusalem. There there was official "creation" of voluntary Jews army Haagan as jews army, so jews army have after this 85 000, there were a lot of incomers (jews form the world) helping their new army. In spite of the sad fact that even Great Britain was helping to Arabs (but on demand of UNO they stop it later) and Israel and jews win.


So to be honest, Jews want to have their own state, and they start living at the territory which give them officially UNO, but Arabs were the first who started war!!.

So, I have to sad, that Jews were not the first who maybe start it.

Is this true ??



2010-06-09 10:37:27
October, 1948:

Egyptian air-army cancel dead about peace, and started again to attack Israel.

2010-06-09 10:44:01
February 1949:

Peace between Egypt and Israel. Egyptians accept peace, but did not accept existence of Israel.



1. So, Israel maybe can not be consider as bad for that he obtain more territory after war, because Israel did not start that war !!!

2. And the fact that there was big immigration of jews, helping to thier own army can not be consider as bad too.

So maybe my information about that Israel got a country and start making problems are bad :-), problems are jews at that region but it is not mistake of jews....

But we can discuss more about this, if I am not wrong :-)
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2010-06-09 10:47:17
November 1949

Israel but also Jordan REFUSED plan UNO for international administration of Jerusalem.


There is very intersting fact that not just Israel, but even Jordan, so both nations make big mistakes ...
2010-06-09 10:55:42
but later, was Israel playing same dirty game,,, is it right ?

march, 1955

In New York, UNO refused one side Israel air attack on region of Gaza (under Egypt occupation).

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Gaza should not by under Egypt, but even under Israel.



2010-06-09 10:57:45
October 1956

Israel ministry of foreign says that because UNO is not able to make peace there and to force all sides to accept resolution of UNO about peace on that territory, Israel will be defending themselves.

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Hm... but this is maybe logical step, is not ?

2010-06-09 11:04:16
20.5.1967

- new problems, very bad relationship between Israel and Egypt
- at the Egypt are people speaking very loudly about big attack on Israel
- 16. May Egyptian president abdal Násir ask UNO forces to leave from Gaza
(this was bad step, but ok guilty is on Egyptian side)
- the day after UNO secretary Thant send UNO troops home, away from Gaza
- 28.May Egypt says, that they will consider everybody as their enemy who will try to help Israel.



2010-06-09 11:06:23
Jun, 1967, Israel accept peace on UNO condition.

May, 1970
MoFA William Rogers show plan for peace. Egypt and Israel accept. Jordan, Syria, Irak refused.

2010-06-09 11:07:44
October 1973

Arabic states raise price of oil about 17% to make big pressure on countries supported Israel.

2010-06-09 11:10:30
November, 1973

Israel and Egypt sign peace and change their "prisoners" and definitely stop fighting.

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So maybe after this day, there remain just conflict Israel and Palestine,Irak,Syria, Libanon, Jordan ... so maybe not Egypt. If this is true, I can see that Israel is able to make peace with enemy, but if others dont want will never be there.....
2010-06-09 11:11:58
And Israel leave and give back Sinaj to Egypt then....
2010-06-09 11:13:37
1978, Israel and egypt did not sing that peace, which they promise to each other :-D


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but I do not obtain information who refused finally that peace, Israel or Egypt... :-D

OK, I am done for today :-D :-D :-D
2010-06-09 12:34:16
Israel have peace signed contracts with Egypt and Jorden.
2010-06-09 14:07:51
I can't count the crimes by polish people in belgium anymore....

Really? Please give some examples of these horrific polish crimes in Belgium.
2010-06-09 14:11:19